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Trish Wood:
So tell us why you're here, Doctor. Did you were you hearing the previous.

Dr. Eric Payne:
Yeah, I heard the last. The last Jen speaking about a recent court case. And she's not not alone. I've been involved myself with with half a dozen of these right now, and they're at various stages. Very disappointing result for sure. We seem to be avoiding what's smacking us in plain sight. But I do have what I did put some slides together here because I would like to just go through a few things and I can introduce myself with my background so that people know who I am. Can you guys see those?

Trish Wood:
Yeah. Yes. Thank you.

Dr. Eric Payne:
Okay, perfect. And so there's my background. I'm a I'm a child neurologist and epilepsy specialist. I did additional training in neuro critical care and epilepsy in Canada. I have a master of public health from Harvard University, where I gained additional training and statistics and epidemiology. I'm a clinical researcher who focuses in neuroinflammation and in the use of EEG monitoring. I did my residency in medical school in Calgary. I spent six years on staff at Mayo Clinic doing epilepsy and both pediatrics and the adult world. And I proudly joined the Care Alliance's Scientific and Medical Advisory Committee in the fall. And this was following a letter that I wrote to my medical college in Alberta about the possibility of mandatory COVID 19 vaccination as a requirement to maintain my medical license. And that was happening already through Alberta Health Services, that they were mandating that as a requirement to continue coming into the children's hospital. So the letter and this is just sort of the summary on the left of what my main points were. That letter is available, as you can see down below at the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. It's still available there. I think that letter has aged very well. It defends itself and I remain incredibly willing to discuss and debate these facts. I have not received a formal response from the college with respect to this, and it was a call to discuss.

Dr. Eric Payne:
It was showing this show me the data before you force me to take the shot to keep my job. And so that's where that came and that's how I got involved. It was partly from a perspective of my own shot, but I have children who are three, five and eight right now. I could see that by the fall we were going to be forcing these on children or forcing these on children. My my niece, for instance, still can't participate in Girl Guides this this, this summer because she's unvaccinated. And so we are continuing to be discriminated against. With respect to the shots, the one of the concerns was that this was a represented a change of definition. So the vaccine definition changed September 1st, 2021, and the CDC removed the requirement for immunity. So that was also included in my letter. And I feel that because we've been able to call these things vaccines and that these there's a we are we are considering them in the same as the same same same ilk, same safety as previous vaccines. And these are these genetic vaccines are just not the same. You just you cannot apply traditional thought to these products. Just to quickly talk about transmission. And I promise I will not go over the time you guys allotted me. But this is this is the provincial data. This is their own data that's available publicly on their website.

Dr. Eric Payne:
And this is from March 22nd. And you can see here, this is cases per 100,000. So this is proportional cases based on vaccine says this is not absolute case, this is proportional. This was the initial wave that we got back in May. Here's the fall wave against Delta. And here in February, January, right here, this is this is the micron. And so two doses proportionally, you were you were much more likely to get a micron if you were two doses versus one dose or less than that. And what started to emerge as of March 23rd as that that went down was that the three doses? So the triple vaccine, we're starting to look like the most likely to get COVID in Alberta. And then the then the Alberta government took this down on March 23rd. In Ontario, we have the same thing. This again is absolute numbers. So you can see January six, 2022. Is the Ontario data publicly available data? You guys can all track this yourself. This is still available. Increased absolute numbers, fully vaccinated versus the unvaccinated and proportionately you are also most likely to get Omicron if you're fully Vaxxed. This is not a conspiracy theory. That data is also there in B.C. it's there in Manitoba, it's there in multiple Scandinavian countries, it's there in the US. It's contributed to the reason why these vaccines have been pulled off the market in some of those countries.

Dr. Eric Payne:
Here is Israel who is already on to their fourth dose when they hit with Omicron and look at the cases that were happening despite the fact that they were on there for shot. Here is the deaths. And again, you can see Israel up here. There is no advantage when you look at the broad spectrum, the broad population compared to Canada with vaccination, as they say, they were on to their fourth shot at that point. Right. So what you hear all the time now is thank goodness I got vaccinated, I got COVID, my whole family got COVID, but I didn't end up in the hospital. Right. So these are the numbers. And remember that we didn't have a vaccine for the first year. So we know what the numbers are. And the reality is, if you're 60 and healthy and you're not obese and you don't have Type two diabetes, your risk of getting COVID and being hospitalized for it is less than 1%. Right. So everybody is saying, thank goodness I got vaccinated. I ended up in the hospital. It is faulty logic. You had a 99% chance of not ending up in hospital before the vaccine. So this and these are not the 3.8%, 0.7% point 8% for case fatality. These are inflated because we don't have the real denominator of how many people had COVID on these numbers.

Dr. Eric Payne:
And we know that it affects those people who are most vulnerable. 80 plus with comorbidities, here's deaths, here's admission. And when you get down in age, it drops. Here's the Canadian data. As of May 13th, there were 40,000 plus deaths with were from. And we know they've admitted now that half of these deaths are probably with and not from COVID. So we're dealing in two years with over 20,000 deaths that are probably from COVID. And we know that the vast majority, 60% are in patients over 80. We have only a tiny number of deaths in the small and vulnerable people. And so taking a stand, if it doesn't help the transmission, there's no community benefit. That transmission benefits seem to be temporary for a couple of months and then it fades away. So then we get into is it causing is it going to save you from being hospitalized? And in those of us who are 60 or under without any comorbidities, the risk benefit analysis, in my estimation, it's fair to take your chances with the with the virus when when you're looking at these type of numbers. This is March 31st in Alberta. OK currently hospitalized, 37%, had three doses. As of March, this number has gone closer to 50%. Right now, we have 80% of patients right now in the Alberta hospital who are either two or three doses.

Dr. Eric Payne:
Right. So this is this is the reality of their own numbers right now. And then if you look at the UK, which roll this stuff out a couple of months before us, you know, you can go and pull these numbers out. I pull them right over the chart and just do this calculation. But nine of ten deaths in the first week of March, we're in the fully vaccinated in the UK and that was in a context of a population that had less than 80% vaccine. So proportionally, you are more likely to die in the beginning of March. And we are seeing that that number is changing, is shifting like it is predicted before in the rest of the world as well. And in April, the data for the UK was even worse. So in the short term. Stockwell You know, everybody's talked about the various I don't want to get into that because I don't a ton of time. But the bottom line is this is an adverse event reporting system, 24,000 deaths that have been reported in that. And it's a signaling system. It doesn't prove causation, but it means that there is a signal here after market and we need to investigate this in comparison. Back in 1999, the CDC suspended the use of the rotor shield vaccine because they only found 15 cases of. We've got 30,000 deaths versus 15 cases of interception.

Dr. Eric Payne:
And we can even get an independent investigation to find out what's happening to these patients. This is this hockey stick graph I keep referring to. So when we starting in 1990, all other vaccines put together in yellow and then all of a sudden this is a number of adverse events with respect to COVID in 21 and 2022, all adverse events, events with all of the vaccines put together for 30 years is less than the number of adverse events seen in the virus. The American virus system, which is also an international system you can put in these deaths. This is important because it shows that the deaths that are being reported in bears are happening immediately after the vaccine. The majority are happening in the first 48, 48 hours after death. So it's hard to say, okay, these are not related. And then nobody talks about the access database, but that's the World Health Organization's database. And you can pull this information out yourself. And look at this. I pull this off in March, I think, or May. And you can see the same idea. All these vaccines put together since 1972, add them all up and it's less than the adverse events reported with COVID 19 vaccine in 2021. So all of them together, 2.5 million versus less than a million for all other vaccines. And here is the Adverse Events Report with ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic we use all the time, which is vancomycin.

Dr. Eric Payne:
So what we saw here was with the COVID vaccine as of the March 31st, 3.5 million events, adverse events reported in the system versus 723 for the mumps vaccine over 40 years. And what's important to me from a neurologist perspective is that a third of these adverse events for neurologic, 1.4 million of them. We saw in the Canadian COVID Care Alliance's beautiful video where they show the six month data for Pfizer. Pfizer went to court to try to prevent this data from coming out. We were using two month longitudinal data only when we roll this out into the population, there are six month data. They try to hide it. What did it show? It showed that you were worse off if you took the vaccine. And specifically, they found six more cases. Six more patients died of all cause in the vaccine group versus the placebo group at six months. So this idea that it's saving deaths and preventing it, it's not it's not backed up by their own phase one data. The long term unknowns. We we know that these were brought very quickly to the table in 6 to 9 months under Operation Warp Speed. It usually takes 12 to 10 to 12 years to get a vaccine out. Phase three trial for the Moderna and Pfizer.

Dr. Eric Payne:
We're not supposed to end into the fall 2022 and the fall 2023. The problem, they also unblinded the trial and they gave everybody in the placebo arm the vaccine. They did the same thing in the pediatric trial. So we don't actually have any long term comparison group in either group. This is one of the FDA guys who voted, Dr. Eric Rubin, and he said, of course, we're not going to figure out if these things are safe long term until we start giving it. That's just the way it goes. Pretty common sense. But when you're talking about kids where the risk is so incredibly low, that becomes important. So these are my last two slides. What were we told? We were told that these genetic vaccines were not experimental. We were told that these vaccines are 100% safe and effective. That if you took the vaccine, you would not get SARS-CoV-2, that once you started getting SARS-CoV-2. Anyways, we were told that you're not going to get seriously ill or die from SARS-CoV-2. Take the vaccine that these vaccines remain near or in the injection site, in the muscle, that the vaccines were designed to tether themselves to the cell, and as a result, they could not bio distribute widely in our body and that any effect on fertility had been debunked. I'm not sure how you can debunk something that hasn't happened yet, but nonetheless, that was what we were being told about three or four weeks ago.

Dr. Eric Payne:
Alberta Albert BOURLA, the Pfizer CEO, said that it was counterintuitive. Only two years working on this, and actually mRNA was a technology that not had never delivered a single product until that day. Not vaccine, not any other medicine. This idea that it wasn't experimental is, I think, contradicted by the the evidence that's right in front of our face. What have we learned? This is a busy slide, but just as a summary for everybody to take. We know that this goes everywhere. We know that it is distributed into the brain. We know that based on animal trials that could submit it to the Australian government from Pfizer and Moderna. We know that based on human trials in Harvard, young, healthy people that showed that spike was still circulating in the plasma afterwards. We know that it can affect the innate immune system. It can have a direct effect on total receptors and maybe leaving us more vulnerable to subsequent infections, which is, I think, something we're seeing right now. We see that the spike protein can interact with tumor suppressor genes. So genes whose role it is is to prevent tumours from coming out. Spike can bind to this and so that argument, all of it stays tethered and it doesn't bio distribute and as a result you don't have to worry about any of the things I'm saying.

Dr. Eric Payne:
That is not true. This does circulate. And so these things are possibilities and they're being ignored. Right now. We have we know that there are diseases specific to COVID vaccines, this vaccine induced thrombosis, VITT, this sudden adult death syndrome is this what is this all of a sudden, healthy adults are dropping dead and we have no cause for this nerve inflammation. The first payout for the Canadian vaccine injury with related to vaccines was because of a case of Guillain-Barre syndrome, transverse myelitis, Bell's palsy these things activation of prior viruses. We have menstrual irregularities in women. I'm hearing these type of stories all the time from people, and they're not being taken seriously by their physicians. Decreased exercise capacity, we were told no effect on sperm. And we have a study that just came out this week showing that it affects sperm mobility motility for five months just in time for you to get your your booster at six months. And then we have some very scary studies suggesting case series where there's an aggressive neurodegeneration disease similar to prion disease that that becomes becoming effect. We see that your lymph nodes are still pumping out spike protein. Three months later, it can still be circulating a year later. We've seen that in vitro cell models. This can get into the cell nucleus that big pharma and the FDA have gone to to court.

Dr. Eric Payne:
The FDA itself went to court to provide prevent the release of the data that they use to to approve these vaccines for 75 years. When we started to have the release of these data and these data are not are not good from the perspective of safe and effective, we know this is the scariest number, I think in 2021 that all cause excess mortality is skyrocketing and getting larger 40%. And it's a targeting our our healthy young people, people who are not vulnerable to the virus itself. We do not have an answer for this. If you speak out, you will be targeted and punished. I have lost my my salaried position, my research position. I've been targeted with complaints for spreading misinformation without any particulars. I've had complaints brought against me for writing vaccine exemption letters for children because that's deemed unprofessional, although that complaint was dropped because those letters were deemed well written and justified. You just heard about the uphill battles in courts and we continue to be discriminated against. Right. So this is this is not we need to go and figure out how to prevent this from happening again. This is still happening to us. And we just were told yesterday by the federal government that they are thinking about these measures again in the fall. But with that, I will leave it for you and ask any any questions that you might have.

Trish Wood:
Okay. So I think we have time for maybe one quick question, but thank you for that fabulous presentation. It was really thorough. Oh, maybe we have more we have more time than I thought. Do forgive me. Okay, good. I'll throw to the panel.

Preston Manning:
Thank you very much for this. I seem to remember you as a hockey player. Dr. Payne This is a very expert presentation. I guess my question is, is there a forum somewhere? Is there a public arena? Is there a regulatory arena where your data could be put forward and argued for or against with whatever somebody else wants to put forward? Is there any formal arena where that can be adjudicated?

Dr. Eric Payne:
So, I mean, the data that I presented to you is available. Most of it's publicly available. So if you Google Alberta COVID statistics or Canada statistics, you can find a lot of the same graphs and the updated statistics that I just showed you, you don't need any training with that, for instance, to access World Health Organization data database, extremely slick. You can work through that.

Preston Manning:
But I'm not talking about the access, though. I'm talking about is there an arena where it could be adjudicated like in the energy field, for example, if someone comes up with a whole bunch of data with respect to how oil and gas should be developed in Alberta, there's a regulatory arena where that data can be put up against the people that object to it for whatever reason. And there's a regulatory tribunal that decides that, look, the right decision here is to be based on that that information. Is there any such equivalent arena where you can be heard respectfully and make your argument.

Dr. Eric Payne:
That doesn't exist right now, unfortunately. I mean, when I wrote that letter in September, it was exactly the goal was exactly what you suggest to have this discussion, to have this adjudicated. That form doesn't exist. So if you if you present lots of people trying to speak out and showing, as they say, publicly available data, they get they get attacked. You know, Calgary Herald article came out after my letter in September suggesting that questioning the vaccine efficacy and safety was like questioning gravity itself. Right. There is no public debate that's allowed to take place. The college is acting, in my opinion. They are acting as the enforcer for Alberta Health Services. At least in Alberta, we are physicians. I get to hear this stuff because I've spoken out. I get to hear the reality that these are a huge number of people who are still concerned about these vaccines. There's a large number of doctors and health care staff that that left the job because of it. And I hear about the injuries that are taking place. I hear from patients who just want to find out if their doctor will not discriminate against them because they haven't taken the vaccine. So there is no forum to discuss this. I was hoping that some of the COVID experts locally would be willing to come and chat about this. I have not had that discussion. I have not had a response from the CBSA. Any invitation that we've made, whether it's with other smarter physicians like Paul Alexander, researchers like Paul Alexander or whatever, these have gone unanswered. Byram Bridle. Another great example. They don't want to talk about this because they don't have the answer. They don't have the data.

Preston Manning:
So if we were going to try to address how to prevent this occurring in the future, would the creation of such a forum be a step in the right direction?

Dr. Eric Payne:
Absolutely. I mean, the problem right now is that the mainstream media, for a lot of people, that's 90% plus of what they see and read and they are perpetuating the false narrative. And what is blatant disinformation and lies right now? I mean, our prime minister last week, two weeks ago at the World Health Organization World Economic Forum stated that if he could just get the last ten or 15% of people in vaccinated in Canada, that we could end this pandemic. I mean, what kind of nonsense is that? This is what's coming from our leaders right now. Right? So I don't know what the solution is, but a starting point of being able to at least get that information into people's world because it's not getting into mainstream right now. Yeah.

Preston Manning:
Thank you. Thank.

Dr. Susan Natsheh :
Thank you for your testimony. I just have a really quick question. Earlier today, we had a presentation by Dr. Phillips, and he was talking about reporting adverse events in the criteria, and one of them was a temporary relationship between the adverse event and receiving the product. Considering what you presented this afternoon about the spike protein circulating four months later after the injection, would you recommend that that temporary relationship between vaccination and adverse event be extended for this product?

Dr. Eric Payne:
Absolutely. And I think it would be a starting point for physicians right now to just recognize the sequelae that we know are associated. Clotting, inflammation, just recognizing things that we know are there would be it would be a good starting point. But as I showed you in the depth chart with the virus, the majority were in the first few few days, but they extend it out and so absolutely months out, same way that we can sort of we can have long COVID post post illness. You can still have symptoms. Post vaccine, when I'm hearing from from patients is that this can still happen. And it's not that everybody still has spike circulating for months, but we've got evidence that it can circulate for weeks and months. And so I'm of wonder if your lymph nodes are still pumping the spike protein of 3 to 4 weeks later? That's a problem. Right. And interestingly, I skipped through a slide quickly. The second last one, but just a couple of weeks ago, there was an instance of a patient with prolonged seizures and encephalitis after vaccine, which is sort of completely in my neurology wheelhouse. But what this thing found in the spinal fluid of this patient was antibodies against the spike protein. So they conclude this was related, but after treatment, they found the antibodies decreased in the in the spinal fluid, but they actually increased in the serum.

Dr. Eric Payne:
And to my mind, for that to continue to be increasing in the serum suggests that they're still being still being produced. So we need to be for sure open minded to to things that come in weeks out. There are a lot of unexplained things happening these days. I'm hearing about them from all sorts of people in the community all across the spectrum, including babies. So we need to, at the very least, have an open mind to to what? The possibility and just to add to what Dr. Phillips mentioned, I am in receipt of of of of letters from our Canadian government after physicians when we write in in Canada, like, why is it the Canadian system does not have that same safety signal that's there? And the access that's there varies that's there in the year of vigilance, that's there in the U.K. yellow card. How is it that can is missing the signal? Well, it's because we're there's a number of reasons. One is a self-fulfilling prophecy. We're particularly good at believing that these things are safe and effective. But we people are worried about being attacked. If they if they actually report vaccine adverse events like Dr. Phillips has been attacked. And if you in instances if you as a physician have examined a patient and have deemed that this is a vaccine related event based on the relationship temporally and everything else, and you submit that the government right now, I'm not sure who is doing this on the bureaucratic, bureaucratic point, but they're actually giving they're sending letters back to that physician in some instances, saying that they've deemed the adverse event not to be related to the vaccine and they are removing this adverse event from the database.

Dr. Eric Payne:
I have that letter. So they are even if you get a doctor, because part of it in Canada too, is that it's a tough system to take about an hour to put this thing in. It's got to come from a physician. There's most of them come from physicians, but patients can put them in themselves. So it's a different time point. But even if a doctor spends the hour to put this thing in, they've decided that it's related. We've got a mechanism in Canada that's pumping these things out without any. And these are it's not like there's somebody they're calling these families, examining these patients to say, well, wait a second, this doctor made a mistake. They're just denying these things. And the whole point of the database is to be able to go back and answer questions. They're cleaning it up front. Right. So that's that's what I'm seeing from that perspective here in Canada.

Preston Manning:
Thanks Dr. Pain for your for.

Dr. Eric Payne:
Your presentation this morning. It was excellent. And so I. You covered a lot of a lot of very important information. Just one area I'd just like to drill into a little bit. I'm I'm intrigued that you issued a letter to the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Alberta. Was that just recently or was that some time ago that you did that, that they have not yet responded? That letter was was emailed to the to each individual council member of the college in the middle of September. And it's it's subsequently. End up getting leaked, went around on the Internet. Different versions were circulating very quickly. And I at that point, I made a decision to upload a proper copy on the JCCF website so that there would be no misinformation associated with at least what I was trying to say. I remain very willing to change any of that. The calls themselves have not responded. I also sent that letter to the CEO of Alberta Health Services at the time, Dr. Verna Yu. She forwarded it to her scientific advisor, Dr. Joffe. He responded within a week, thanking me for my letter, and concerns did not indicate that anything was misinformation. Disinformation within that letter stated that they were going to continue to follow the international guidelines and then suggested that I take either the AstraZeneca or the J&J vaccine to vaccines that have both been removed from the vaccine market in Canada since his suggestion.

Dr. Eric Payne:
So that was that was the only response that I've had thus far. We, along with three other physicians in Alberta, went to court against Alberta health services vaccine mandate as a requirement to keep our jobs. We had three scientific responses submitted against us at during that court, and you can find these are available. None of those three came anywhere close to addressing the issues that we discussed. So we have not seen anybody provide an answer as to why their own data suggests you're more likely to get the vaccine, get hospitalized with the virus and die from the virus, if you're triple vaxxed that this is time dependent benefit, if anything. There seems to be a complete ignorance with respect to the long term concerns. Antibody dependent enhancement was something that the Pfizer and the FDA knew was a concern at the beginning. And we are seeing evidence of that right now. And yet we're continuing to push these out. I mean, the FDA just allow these to just approve the booster, 5 to 11 year olds and allow this four, four, six month old, two, four year olds. That data is incredibly egregious. It is some of the worst data I've ever seen in my life.

Dr. Eric Payne:
I don't know how you can you can you can approve that. It shows just how compromised they are. I mean, there's there are studies out there showing that these individuals who vote go on to big pharma deals and jobs after the fact. There is. There wasn't. I listened to some of this interview. It was the most painful thing. I mean, there weren't any questions about time, limited benefit. They didn't ask any of the concerns that I brought up in terms of long term safety. They ignored clinical effectiveness data from the state of New York that showed that against Omicron in the 5 to 11 year olds, there was protection of less than 25% ignored real world data, and they were able to manipulate their own data in a way to sort of suggest that there might be some benefit. It's so terrible. I'd have to spend an hour just going through how bad it is, but that's what we're facing right now in Canada. I mean, it's only a matter of months before this thing gets approved in our in our in our pediatric population here. And it's not so it's bad enough that it's going to get approved. But they're also trying to remove choice from families. And that's when I get very, very concerned.

Trish Wood:
Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much. That was really, really useful. And maybe we can end on the idea that Marty Makary at Johns Hopkins says that he couldn't find a single case of a child dying of COVID 19 without significant comorbidities. So nobody's talking about risk benefit ratio here, I guess. Anyway, thank you so much, Dr. Payne. It was really, really good.

Dr. Eric Payne:
Thank you. Thank you.

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