Transcription – English – David Shaw

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David Shaw:
Okay. I’ll just start in September. My son had tryouts with hockey. I had not wanted him to get the vaccines because they are experimental, but because they allowed 16 year olds to go behind the parents backs and get it. This is what happened. So what’s done is done. At that point, I decided, well, they put these mandates out that I wasn’t allowed to go in because I’m unvaccinated. But I chose to not accept their mandates and. His first tryout. I went into the rink and they stopped me at the desk and asked me for a passport. I did not have one. I also did not wear a mask because of health issues. They had no problem with that part. They had me wait at the front door and I must have waited about five or 10 minutes and for the rink operator to show up. And so nobody showed up. So I walked in down into the lobby waiting for his tryout to start, at which point I was approached by the somebody with the hockey league and the rink operator who brought up the mask. And I mentioned to him the situation. He said, Yep, that’s correct. You don’t have to wear one.

David Shaw:
But he said, if you go into the rink, I have to call corporate services. And I just said, you do what you have to do. And I walked into the hockey rink and got about 35 minutes into my son’s tryout. And peripherally I saw two people coming towards me. And when I looked, it was two corporate service personnel. And they asked me to come out in the lobby and have a chat with them. And I said, sure. So we went out into the lobby and they said, You have to leave. And I said, I will leave in 25 minutes when my son’s tryout is over. And they said, If you don’t leave to keep it short, they said, If you don’t leave, we will arrest you. And at which point? I just said I’m going to watch my son try out. And I turned and I got about four steps and they grabbed my arms from behind and put me up against a wall and decided they were going to handcuff me. So at that point. Again, keeping it short. They they handcuffed me and took me out the lobby in front of everybody in handcuffs and. It still hurts.

David Shaw:
Anyway. The two people.

David Shaw:
The corporate service people. They were nice people. They were just doing their job. I had a good talk with them. After I know their names, I won’t identify them, but they were really nice. Peel Regional police have to be called to release me because I was handcuffed. And that Officer Escobar was a gentleman and there was no issue. So I was. Surprised that corporate services had handcuffs. I was figuring they would just call the police and the police would come and they would escort me out of the rink. So anyway, I was it was 30 minutes before the officer showed up. So I was there in handcuffs. I had a bit of a breakdown. And then I was given a ticket by corporate services for a 30 day ban from that rink where I wasn’t even allowed on the property. That’s where that ended. The next night he had another tryout and I walked back into the arena again and I gave a couple of people, heck. For this and then walked out and. The arena operator followed me out and corporate services was called again. And I just waited out front and they showed up. And. They said, you can’t be on the property. And I said, Well, I’m going to use my right to have some freedom of speech. And I had a good long chat with them for about 10 minutes, and then I left the property without incident.

David Shaw:
And after that, when his game started, I. Still chose not to accept their mandates. So they don’t apply to me. And. I would sneak into a rink. I would just walk by the people who were checking in on on occasion. One occasion they walked away because I think they knew me. So they let me go. And that was the game I was in pins and needles, but I got to watch this whole game. There was twice I did not get reported. But I was escorted out three or four more times by corporate services during the winter there before it got shut down. Those corporate service people were really nice, too. They were doing their job. So I have no issue. With them. But I was given another ticket, another 30 day ban, and then November 21st. And I went to go into a hockey rink to watch him again, and there was a private security company at the front door. And I had obtained a religious exemption at that point, signed by a lawyer, signed by my pastor. And. But at the time, and I had used it on a Friday night, first practice to try and get in the rink to see if they’d accept it. And the young lady on the Friday night accepted it as real and.

David Shaw:
Let me in, and I got to watch my son practice. So I used it again on the Sunday night when private security company was there, and I walked in with it with my ID without a mask. Showed it to him. I exemption of my ID and they both approved it. They had asked Do you have a mask? And I said, I have a health issue. And they looked at my. Exemption and they said, Good, and they let me in. But right at the last second, the one officer looked at me and just said, Put a mask on. And that’s when I knew. Corporate Services was again inside the building waiting for me. They were waiting for me because the night before I went to the Christmas tree lighting with the mayor in Mississauga. And before she went up on stage, I asked her if she was going to continue to arrest parents for watching their children play hockey. And she sent a security guy over to me. She went up on stage, did her spiel and did her mayoring about opening the city up after 20 months and when she came back down. I asked her. Mayor, Mayor Crombie, I said. You’re opening the city up after 20 months. Are you still going to arrest parents for watching their children play hockey? At which point I had three corporate service people on me.

David Shaw:
Nothing physical or anything chatting. And they said, Oh, we’re working tomorrow night. You’re the guy, you’re the guy. We’re working tomorrow night. We’re going to come and arrest you if you go in. So the next night came, I walked in, I presented my exemption, security let me in, and they were inside. But I had the mask on. I saw one of them. I did not see the other one. My son’s game was behind, so I went back outside because I can’t breathe with the mask on. And after about 5 minutes or whatever I put it on, I took two steps back into the arena and these two guys came from nowhere and handcuffed me. Again. And walked me through the lobby of about 60 parents in handcuffs. My wife was there. Upset her. Um. And then they took me out the back of the rink and sat me in the the. They said, I told you we’d arrest you. I says I was granted permission by the security company. And. And. With an exemption and they says, well, that’ll be another ticket if it’s not real. And then they frisked me like I was like out to the car. They frisked me like I was a criminal, emptying my pockets, taking my hat. They put me in the back of the car in handcuffs. And Wendell’s rolled up.

David Shaw:
No circulating air. Four. Pretty well. Two and a half hours. And I was I was at that point delirious. And then finally two officers showed up. They drove back around front. This is at nine. The game was at. I did phone the police. They got the call at 918. The police never showed up till close to midnight. For a two step trespass after I was granted permission. But anyway. And they pull me out of the car. I’m trying to breathe. I’m trying to get air. It’s a really nasty night. And one set of cops off the police set of cuffs on the police were really good. They put them on really loose and they had me out of there in about 10 minutes. Good guys. Even the security guys were just doing their job. They weren’t mean. The cuffs were on not tight either. But they were doing their job. As ordered. The police. I ended up getting two tickets, one from the city of Mississauga for $365 for not obeying staff and security, and then a trespass for $65 from the police, which I’m fighting. I haven’t heard from you back yet. They asked me what was going on. I said I was granted permission by the security go in. And the guys these guys came and got me. I said because I was granted permission with my exemption and. Anyway.

Trish Wood:
Mr. Shaw, I’m sure the panel has questions for you. I mean, just the image of a hockey dad being handcuffed at a rink in Canada over this is. It’s awful. Anyway, panel.

Preston Manning:
Yeah. Well, thanks for sharing your story. I have 13 grandkids, four boys, all playing hockey. I’ve been to a lot of hockey games, and I understand the desire of Dad to see the boy play and the importance of that to him. I guess my question is, were there any allies for what? Anybody that came to your defense with the with the hockey team where there are other parents are going through the same thing or the hockey league? Or was there anyone that kind of took your your side either connected with hockey or connect with the community, or did you have any allies?

David Shaw:
I had allies away from hockey. Oh, yeah. But as far as the association. The league parents on the team zero. Nobody ever came and talked to me and said, What are you doing? Are you crazy? You know what I mean?

Preston Manning:
Because at least discuss it. Discuss it.

David Shaw:
Why are you doing this? Not one word from anybody the whole year. And then the hockey got shut down, correct? Yeah. And then when it started up again, they allowed me to use my exemption and I got to watch my son the rest of the year. And one of the times I snuck in, I got to see his first goal of the year before I got escorted out. But the last time when I was put in, just if I could finish, the last time I was put in a corporate car for two and a half hours. Oh. Where was I going with that?

Trish Wood:
What level was he playing, Mr. Shaw, of hockey?

David Shaw:
Just house-league hockey.

Trish Wood:
So you got to watch the season or most of the season part of the season?

David Shaw:
Well, I got to watch two whole games before they allowed me and I got to watch two whole games I got to watch. Half a game a couple of times over the last incident, I was banned from all the rinks in Mississauga for 90 days. At which point.

Preston Manning:
Was this by a court order, or was this just from the.

David Shaw:
City of Mississauga? They banned me for gave me a ticket for 90 days, banned from all rinks. And at which point the company I had worked for for 30 years were contacted by the city because we had a city contract and I lost my job.

Preston Manning:
See. And these people that you mentioned that, you know, were just doing their job, you know, and they did their job. But do you feel that they were actually reluctant about that, that they could maybe with the proper leadership, be organized into some kind of protest? Because I know a number of even law enforcement people that we did not sign up to be doing this know. But did you get the feeling that they were potential allies or are they just they’re doing my job and I can’t do anything else.

David Shaw:
I had some really good conversations with them. And again, you know, the first to. We’re nice people and had a really good comp like what about getting a medical exemption? They won’t give me one. I’m a I’m allergic to pharmaceuticals. This is what’s happened the last three, three, three years to me.

Preston Manning:
Yeah.

David Shaw:
Just so many of them in one. Anyway.

Trish Wood:
Thank you very much for coming. Very, very grateful to hear your story. Thank you.

Preston Manning:
And we’ve got to find a way to stop this type of thing happening. We’ve got to find a way to stop kidding.

Trish Wood:
Yes, I know. That’s so true.

David Shaw:
Not let it start up again. Anyway, thank you for your time.

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