Transcription – English – Jenn Gilbert and Jesse

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Jenn Gilbert:
Well, our story starts really in our previous marriages, when we each had health issues that led us down the path of seeking natural health remedies to to address them. We took responsibility for our own health. And then my daughter also had digestive issues as a young six month old. And I didn't like being told to take stool softeners for. Know they were telling me for years. And so I tried adjusting her diet and that worked and. But that was met with resistance from my ex because he thought it was inconvenient to adjust her diet and and do any sort of natural take responsibility for your own health. And then when COVID hit and we were forced into lockdown, nothing made sense to me. I started questioning everything and what that did. At first I just kind of sat back because I was still going through a divorce and I just watched and I watched all the information that was being said. But I watched all the information that wasn't being said, all the information that was being censored, that was being cancelled. And I didn't understand it. And I just kept gather. I started researching and gathering and listening to everyone who was speaking out and who wasn't being heard. I started finding people in the community who felt the same way. And and that's eventually how I met Jesse. And we shared so many similar beliefs and commonalities. So we just and then I started pushing back right away, you know, in the summer of 2020, I started sharing the information. I gathered with my ex, and I started being like, you know, the rushing of these vaccines and why are they doing this when they've not tested them long term? And I was trying to to prevent the what I saw as the inevitable from coming. I even tried to get my daughter homeschooling because I didn't like her wearing a mask. And I thought that none of it made sense in that respect. And I think Jesse has some comments on that, too.

Jesse:
Yeah, just.

Trish Wood:
Just just before you go, Jessie, I just want to clarify a couple of things. And so did you have a good relationship with your ex prior to COVID 19, or was it rocky in this exacerbated it?

Jenn Gilbert:
It was very rocky. We, in fact, were had to have a parent coordinator. We had contracted because we were considered high conflict.

Trish Wood:
Right. And then just also because I know this happened in a lot of families, just to clarify, where does he sit on the spectrum of either kind of buying totally into the narrative, not questioning too much versus people who are on the on the other side of it? Are you different, the two of you, in that way as well?

Jenn Gilbert:
We're very we're polar opposites. So we he's gotten all his vaccinations. He he doesn't question anything. He's actually made me feel like I'm paranoid by even considering thinking that, you know, any of this might not be on the up and up or that there should be things to be questioned. He thinks that I'm you know, he's he's told me that he thinks I'm I'm a little bit nuts. And so.

Trish Wood:
Yeah. This is happening in a lot of relationships, obviously, in the country. Sorry, Jesse. I interrupted you. What was it you wanted to say?

Jesse:
Hey, that's excellent. Thank you for asking the questions. I just wanted to give you a little context of where we both were and how we came together. Because we came together as to support one another, essentially in our children, much similar to where Jennifer was with with diets and research and whatnot. I began to clean up my diet in 2004 after a health issue, and I found success with that within my diet and my fitness by practicing natural health. And I wanted to emulate this in my previous marriage as well. And through that with holistic and natural practices, was met with some reluctance. But I had, after about 39 marathon races, some real success with this. So I wanted to run with it, pardon the pun. Fast forward to 2020 with my I work in finance, occupational health and safety. So I took what knowledge I had gleaned over the last 13 years and put that with the mainstream media as narrative and come up with come up with the best informed opinions and information that I could. And I wanted to do that. I wanted to emulate this for my four year old as well through empowerment and teaching her just what clean food does for you and exercise and especially for a kid, right? So through various meetings and within our community of friends, I met Jennifer and we shared so many beliefs and values and our goals were much the same. Protect our girls, protect our girls children, and get the information out to adults.

Trish Wood:
So what I want to do is I want to just get a some idea about what happened around the vaccine and what's your daughter's name. Sorry.

Jenn Gilbert:
My daughter's name is Olivia.

Trish Wood:
Olivia. And then I'm going to I'm going to throw it to the panel because I know they're going to want to drill down on how that happened. But but obviously, you and your ex-husband disagreed about whether to vaccinate her and you somehow lost that argument. Is that right?

Jenn Gilbert:
That is correct.

Trish Wood:
Can you just tell that story? And then I'll throw it to the panel, because I know they're going to want to ask how that happened.

Jenn Gilbert:
Yeah. So in I mean, I was addressing the vaccine before it even came to market because I, I could see that that's where things were going. So over the course of about a year and a half, just over a year, maybe we were going to our parent coordinator and having these discussions and she kept trying to help us figure out what we wanted to do because she could see that it wasn't an easy answer and that we didn't. We disagreed. Fast forward to September 20, 21. My ex was pushing hard to have Olivia vaccinated and she wanted our parent coordinator has arbitration rights, so he wanted her to make a decision right then and there. Because of all the work I'd been doing and talking to her, she she wasn't prepared to make a decision. And so I kind of stuck my neck out a little bit and said, under no circumstances is she getting vaccinated unless it's a court order. And that's when things kind of went sideways, because then it was written into a consent word that Dan was to put in an application to court to have this resolved. So then all of the fall and into the winter of 2021, up to Christmas, I was searching for a lawyer trying to take who would take this case on and I couldn't find one. Like even the ones who agreed with me weren't willing to take on the case because I knew it was a losing battle. And so it was an exasperating three or four months of trying to find someone who would even take on this case. Just before Christmas, I found someone and she told me like she wasn't confident that this was going to go anywhere. But she said, if it's going to go anywhere, you need to make it about Olivia specifically.

Jenn Gilbert:
It can't be about children in general. You have to find a reason why she specifically cannot be vaccinated with this vaccine. So we started going to specialists and I started emailing doctors and trying to get a hold of anyone who would who would help. Pave the way for a case that she should specifically not be vaccinated. You know, the specialist we went to, of course, they they said, oh, she's healthy, she can get vaccinated. There's no issue whatsoever. And they kept it felt like a sales pitch the whole time. It's like, no, this is not about selling me on the vaccine. I'm telling you, my concerns is you're dismissing them. And so eventually I got a hold of Dr. Eric Paine through Dave Roth and and he wrote an amazing affidavit that it was so meticulous, it was thorough, and it had all the evidence that outlined the risks involved in the vaccine. And it showed how how much more risky the vaccine was over COVID itself for children. And yet, at the end of the day, the judge went, well, the government says we should get the vaccine. So, you know, yeah, we don't know what the vaccine is going to do. But if it if it prevents her from being that one in a million child of of getting and dying from COVID, we should do that. And I was shocked. I, I actually did not expect to lose because the evidence I had was outstanding compared to what my ex had. And, but here we are. And, and then my, my ex couldn't even wait for the ink to dry before taking her out and getting vaccinated.

Trish Wood:
I'll let the panel discuss how she felt about that. But it is the old abundance of caution. Mantra seems to be the word of the day, isn't it, that when a judge is saying a one in a million case like that, so I'm going to just pass to the panel to drill down a little bit on what what this means for you and your daughter and your family.

David Ross:
Thanks. Thanks, Jen, very much for sharing your story. It's it's a heartbreaking one for parents who feel as as you do. I know that it's a heartbreaking one for grandparents. Who feel as you do. What advice would you would you share with other parents and don't have to include grandparents in this because they're out of the picture? Really, and they ought to be. So what advice would you have for other parents who are facing this? So you didn't you weren't successful. What would it take for for somebody to be successful? And, of course, it's not like a normal court case, because once the decisions rendered and the actions taken, then what's the point of going anywhere else legally? So would you would you share your thoughts on that, that that might help other parents?

Jenn Gilbert:
Absolutely. I think we don't give up. I mean, even though I lost this battle, I'm I'm not stopping. I'm going to continue advocating because the only thing that that we can do is continue trying to get the truth out there, because it's not until people actually start hearing the truth and being able to see it. And so we have to push back. Is it worth going to court? I don't know. For me, it was because it delayed things. It delayed things as long as possible. And more truth was coming out. And and it got to a point where there were successful cases in Ontario and and and unfortunately, in Alberta, the judge just wasn't willing to go there and decided that the cases in Ontario weren't applicable to Alberta. But at the same time, they were very careful about not attacking my character. So we are making some headway with with not being just called crazy conspiracy theorists or there is some truth getting out there. So we we have to keep pushing.

Preston Manning:
On on what can you tell us? What was the name of the judge and on what grounds did he dismiss Dr. Paine's affidavit and grant the order to vaccinate?

Jenn Gilbert:
I can't remember the name of the judge. I think it was DeWitt. And on what grounds, if I think it was he didn't actually say very thoroughly. I've actually been waiting for a transcript, but I think it was probably on judicial notice essentially that they were following the government's guidelines.

Preston Manning:
And he didn't he didn't address the points that Dr. Payne made in his affidavit.

Jenn Gilbert:
No, he really glazed over it. He said it was it was thorough. But what happened was my my ex's lawyer, you know, just kind of glazed over it, too, and said, oh, it's just some lone wolf. And they kind of all just went, yeah, who knows who this person is?

Preston Manning:
And yeah. Thank you.

Trish Wood:
You're welcome. I guess I just have one quick question for Jesse. How hard was it for you to watch these two people you love going through this kind of powerless moment? We don't have a ton of time, but I'd really like to get a sense of what that was like to see a child vaccinated when the mom is against it. I mean, it must have been hard.

Jesse:
Painful. It's painful. And it could have been. It could have been my child, too. But we've learned a lot of lessons from this, and there's some great takeaways from it. We want to we want to endorse that health is empowerment. And we really want that to shine through with with our kids. But, yeah, it was painful. But all the while, the drive to do it never waning.

Trish Wood:
Okay. Thank you both very much for for coming to see us today. We're very grateful. And I hope Olivia's doing well. Thank you.

Jesse:
Thank you. Thank you so much.